I mean, I am living proof of somebody that started with nothing and has built up a portfolio and has a good, I employ a lot of people.

I've got multiple, I've got 21 companies in the UK and I increased the GDP.

I create employment.

I take, I built many houses, I develop properties and started from nothing.

And I think that a lot of left-leaning people like Gary Stevenson, for example, who I'm not a fan of, their message is so doom and gloom.

And it's unless you have got a rich dad, realistically, you're not going to make it.

And I think that's pretty clear from the evidence.

Yeah, I think that if you look at the Sunday Times Rich List, the vast majority of multimillionaires on there are self-made.

Nothing to do with tax?

Uh, hostility.

Being...

The government being hostile towards entrepreneurs helped make me move, yes.

I told Nigel Farage in an interview, "If I don't get a b- uh, a Christmas card from Keir Starmer saying thank you for your taxes, I'm leaving." And then he didn't, and I left the day after, because I don't like paying millions and millions of pounds of taxes and then not getting thanked.

I should be thanked.

I really believe that.

You was going like a hockey stick, weren't you?

And the cost of building has gone up massively, right? It

has gone up massively, yeah.

So why do you do it, sir? Well, it's got harder.

to build I mean I have built houses from scratch like bought land built them from scratch I've done that that's quite a tough business right now but what I've done many many many times which I think is personally really good for the economy which is what we talked about earlier about supply and demand And I don't do it for this reason.

I'm not too here to try and make the, you know, to try and help the economy.

And that's not why I'm doing it.

I'm doing it because I'm trying to make money.

If you

Keep going.

Left school at 16, worked on a builder's site, did a bit of everything.

I was working for my dad.

My dad's an entertainer, so he used to do children's parties, like balloon animals, magic shows.

He used to sell things on the markets.

I worked for him.

I had my own plastering business.

That is