in work now?

Totally.

Well, okay, so I-- a little bit about me.

Let me just d-give some background to folks who don't know who I am.

I'm Sammy.

I just left Figma, which is, if you don't know what Figma is, it's software for designers.

But really, it, the goal is to own the entire product developer life cycle, starting with when you build an application, what does it look like? How do y-people interact with it? So Figma's goal is to, you know, help anyone in the world who has a great idea be able to turn it into a good product that people actually want to use.

I think it's probably a range, but yeah, there's definitely some non-technical folks.