So, while we are kind of early in the day here, have you been able to get useful playtest feedback so far? And how are those other things going? Are you able to meet other developers here?

Yeah, so we've got a notepad with a few things already, so we've just had a crash a moment ago, so that's one to note down and investigate when I get back.

But yeah, it's going well, met table neighbours of Ryan's Rally, seem like lovely folk from what I've spoken to so far.

There's a couple of people now where we've done a couple of these that we're starting to recognize, which is nice.

Because one thing that is apparent talking to other developers is this shared sense of imposter syndrome.

And certainly, so I have a support hub for various things, and we were talking before I came here about the plan and what we were going to do.

And I was talking to them about legitimacy.

Could you elaborate a little on that?

What, what were our solicitors arguing a- and what did the other side kind of counter with?

From the, the start, um, Clive's defense has been clear that this was, um, purely a gospel ministry, um, that he was there to test the law, but he believed he was within, you know, within the law.

He was acting within the s- the law.

He was not acting unlawfully.

Um, and he wanted to show that, um, that mere gospel preaching, merely holding a Sunday afternoon church service in a buffer zone is not a breach of the law.

He didn't want this new legislation to have a chilling effect on gospel freedom.

Um, now this judgment obviously makes clear on, on the face of the judgment that, um, he was in breach of the law.

Um, and the Supreme Court said that, that cutting across these basic fundamental rights of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, um, was, was proportionate in order to protect this newer right to an abortion.