But to start with, yeah, why start a company? How did you get into the game?

It will sound quite cliche.

I genuinely remember being eight years old and watching Bill Gates, Steve Jobs doing these keynote presentations and just thinking, I want to be doing that one day.

And at the same time, I was putting viruses on my dad's computer.

I was opening it up.

Not fixing them.

Yeah, exactly.

So be interested just how that's formed you and as a person, but also formed your team.