I think every day in the water is a lesson

I think the ocean has probably humbled me more times than it hasn't um and I think that really helps in in feeling like kind of small in the world not insignificant I think you know everyone's everyone's very significant in their in their own worlds and with their own people but I think that just the the ability of the ocean to make you feel really small whether you know whether the waves are big or whether you're just far out and there's water surrounding you on all sides.

And I've spoken to you about this, Katie, you know, like open water, it's quite a scary concept.

And yeah, I think just the ability to feel small goes a long way in shrinking some of the things that might feel big in your life or overwhelming or full on.

It puts a lot of perspective on that and it's that sort of perspective shift.

It helps me a lot in sort of managing things or tougher times or more challenging things that might be going on in my life.

Helps to quiet that and yeah, just sort of shift perspective to make it feel less big, shrinking in my brain and then more sort of bite size and manageable, I guess.

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