... you're the, the person that everyone's looking at, what was that, maybe what was that like the first time?

Uh, so the first time I did, uh, a runway that was for, it was just before, um, Milan Fashion Week.

Florence has a pre-fashion week I guess you could call it.

It's called Pitti Uomo.

And I was confirmed for a Japanese designer who was debuting his first, uh, collaboration collection with Dover Street Market.

And so that was my first real runway, and I was really, really nervous for that.

Um, but I started, uh, talking with a lot of the guys backstage, and a lot of the, uh, the models in Europe, uh, they're pretty, pretty new.

Like, we're talking, like, this is the top of the mountain, isn't it? Am I w- wrong on that? But I feel like if you're a model, this is kinda where you wanna be.