Yeah.

I mean, the only thing that I can say for sure is that there's five people contributing and that's a Ruben song in the end.

Whatever we do, that's going to be it.

But I guess there is intention involved as well.

Like on this record, there are combos that happen as we start to write our next project.

Yeah.

What do we like about the last one or what are we excited about for the next one? Like, is it something that we really want to make sure that translates really well live? Like, do we want to make sure that this is going to be guitar heavy or that kind of stuff? And I would say that in these last couple of records, especially this one, like...

What was the moment that you thought you could do it as a job? Was there a moment that just went, oh, we're pretty good at this and we're kind of popular too?

So what was the origin story there? I mean, I should say, was that the first musical project you guys were working on? Was there anything beforehand or, you know, how did it all sort of come to be?

I was writing songs when I was finishing high school.

I was just writing songs, like demos on guitar.

I actually remember I asked for my birthday, I think it was a Boss BR something.

It was a mini recording set up.

And this is pre-recording on your laptop.

This was like a, it had sort of, it looked like a little mixing desk and it had faders and a little screen and you could record into it and then you could actually burn a CD out of the, so it would burn you.

How does that sort of feel?