But she's going to be a weapon for you guys as well.

Yeah, I think as a rotational big to have her present experience for me.

Of course, yeah.

To Leon and her, we've had some really good conversations.

But we've just got to manage that with having two young children.

Of course.

So good for her to play some games with Waverley just recently in the NBL One Finals there.

And you've been around hoops for as long as anyone, you know what I mean? How exciting is it to see the trajectory that basketball, men's, women's, is going in this country?

What-- why did you decide to, to jump at this opportunity considering you've been in men's basketball for so long? And, and then secondly, what are your, you know, biggest priorities jumping into this role?

Yeah, I'd been involved with the Phoenix, um, that didn't, uh, eventuate there to be kept on staff so also some other things happened in the meantime with basketball and jobs and, and ended up being in China with Mike Kelly.

Um, and yeah, I just moved on to literally I'd started work, I was doing a career pivot and I was looking to go and work a nine-to-five role, and I got accepted in that and I just, just started it four weeks ago and this came out and I just, for me, it's so exciting.

The women's game is-- you've seen all the news in the last month with the WNBA, um, the salaries, the opportunities, the Project B, Unrivaled, the opportunities, and I just think knowing a little bit about Gerry Ryan and how passionate he is with women's sport, in particular basketball, um, for me at my age, I have a perfect alignment with an owner who wants exactly what I want.

I wanna develop the best young Melbourne talent, um, for the next two or three years and then make a run at the championship.

We're not trying to win this thing by going out and buying players every year, year-on-year.

Um, and I just see, like, being back in Melbourne, there are so many great junior basketball players and NBL1 South is strong, so we'll have some players that we hope are from NBL1, uh, from young juniors coming through and then girls that have gone to college and coming back.

How has that left you feeling and now how do you feel like that's helped probably going into this job?