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Is your new co-worker secretly North Korean?
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Sam KesslerGUEST
employees? So when I was covering this in the crypto context, It really was sort of 50-50.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
You'd have some really good employees from my conversations with folks, and you'd also have some really bad employees.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
When it came to this particular cell, we did have the opportunity to talk to this father-son company in Florida.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
Can I say, I am actually a little surprised that the North Korean workers weren't good employees.
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Getting rich as president: conflict of interest?
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Brian LehrerHOST
Are there other industries where Trump's investments intersect with policy choices he needs to make in addition to tech?
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Sam KesslerGUEST
I mean, I'd say that the at least from our reporting to focus there specifically, we already mentioned crypto a couple of times.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
I'd say that that's probably, you know, the most at least one can kind of draw a line in terms of timing between his business dealings in crypto and some I wouldn't call it legislation, but policies that he's passed since he's joined the White House.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
So the most glaring example of this is from reporting that we did in January of or I think it actually came out in February of this year where the president, you know, he launched a company called World Liberty Financial with his sons.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
And secretly, that company sold 49% to a group of UAE investors led by, you know, his name is Sheikh Tahnoon.

Brian LehrerHOST
If we can get even more specific, why might a United Arab Emirates royal and his associates sink half a billion dollars into World Liberty Financial, the president's crypto business? What might they want?
30 Issues in 30 Days: Trump Family Profiteering
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Brian LehrerHOST
Are there other industries where Trump's investments intersect with policy choices he needs to make in addition to tech?
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Sam KesslerGUEST
I mean, I'd say that the, at least from our reporting to focus there specifically, we already mentioned crypto a couple of times.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
I'd say that that's probably the most, at least one can kind of draw a line in terms of timing between his business dealings in crypto and some I wouldn't call it legislation, but policies that he's passed since he's joined the White House.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
So the most glaring example of this is from reporting that we did in January of or I think it actually came out in February of this year where the president, you know, he launched a company called World Liberty Financial with his sons.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
And secretly, that company sold 49% to a group of UAE investors led by, you know, his name is Sheikh Tahnoon.

Brian LehrerHOST
If we can get even more specific, why might a United Arab Emirates royal and his associates sink half a billion dollars into World Liberty Financial, the president's crypto business? What might they want?
Ripple effects of Epstein files spread as Trump encourages DOJ to move on
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Sam KesslerGUEST
But you just do have to look at the timing of this deal and the parties that I mentioned before, where it's, for example, Sheikh Tahnoon, who was on the other side of this deal that we're talking about today.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
Um, he is not only the brother to the, the, the president, um, of the UAE, but he's also that country's national security advisor.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
And so for the president, four days before the election, his family rather, to enter into a deal directly with a Spy Sheikh, um, worth $500 million, and then make policy later on down the line that affects not only the sheikh's, um, you know, country, the UAE, but also his own business empire, his own companies, that being the sheikh's companies, uh, it, it's pretty extraordinary.
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Sam KesslerGUEST
Um, you know, i- i- actually, you did see, [chuckles] um, if you consider the, the president a Republican lawmaker, [chuckles] um, which, which he is, um, he did respond to our reporting earlier today in a question, um, in the Oval Office, and he, um, reiterated what she- what he said before, which is that his business empire is led by his children.