What is it that attracts you?

Uh, it's, it's, there's a lot of parallels between Cyclops and Vortex.

I think the fact that they're both startups is really exciting.

I really enjoyed my time, the six years I did with Cyclops and I stay in touch with those guys, um, to this day.

And I think they are both products and ideas that, uh, um, they're pioneer selling.

So it's not necessarily got a, uh, competitor as such there's plenty of other ways of doing it but um like cyclops you know there wasn't many wireless uh load sensors out there and the same with vortex that scout is a product that um you know has up-to-date satellite imagery and is portable um and can be used on a boat and that's um that's what certainly drew me into it and i think i've done a little bit of navigating mainly um inshore here in auckland and the solutions out there they are um you know you're using 10 to 15 percent of the um capability 80 or 90 percent of the time and that's uh and you have to remember how to do it each time that's the key that's the

and then

Yeah, once I started working for Vortex, the whole idea of there are charts for most of the coast of the world, but there's no real idea or there's no real rating of how accurate the chart is for that particular region.