So let's, sticking with you for the minute, Sam, since you're the industry expert, can you give us a view of who's doing it well across the industry?

I'll give a couple of examples to illustrate both AIOps and AgenticOps.

So the first is a global transportation and mobility company.

In other words, they rent cars.

And they really struggled with this international global footprint to work through the noise in their security and incident response teams.

And so they deployed an AI solution that integrated all of the various systems that generated alerts.

And they applied both traditional rules-based as well as more modern model-based reasoning to help them do that.

What are the security and governance kind of best practices that they should be thinking about before implementing these things? Sam, from a sort of industry outlook, what are the best practices that you're seeing?

So what's your immediate reaction to what

Bhaskar said? Agree or? I couldn't agree more.

And in fact, I'd amplify the impact of non-determinism.

We have been building these deterministic systems for a long time and we know how to do them.

We have a process.

We've compressed the process from waterfall to agile, but it's still a process of we build and we test.

And the testing is what gives us comfort, what allows us to trust these systems.

But when I

Right.

And in comparison to now, it was quiet times.

But at that time, I was immersed in deep learning and all these emerging technologies.

And I finished every week with 50 or 75 tabs in my browser.

Wow.

And I had this great idea of starting a podcast.

force myself like a public commitment to whittle through all those tabs, boil them down to eight or 10 and talk about them and, you know, help people understand what was happening.

That's right,

Right.

And in comparison to now, it was quiet times.

But at that time, I was immersed in deep learning and all these emerging technologies.

And I finished every week with 50 or 75 tabs in my browser.

And I had this great idea of starting a podcast forced myself like a public commitment to whittle through all those tabs, boil them down to eight or 10 and talk about them and, you know, help people understand what was happening.

Yeah.

And a couple of things grew out of that.

podcast,