Um, obviously Dan would then move across to the sports desk later in his career, but- but Dan was somebody who you were very close to as well when you were at the Echo.

Yeah, I think as both of yous have- have said, it was the sense that there was just always that kind of natural inquisitiveness to him.

It didn't- it didn't matter whether, like you said, Joe, you were on your first day here at the Echo, whether you'd been here 25 years, whether you were work experience, he- he treated everyone with that same kind of just human compassion and- and respect and an interest to- to get to know people.

And I think that is what always stood out, um, to me.

And obviously, you know, when Dan made that- that move across from- from a news journalist to a- to a sport journalist, and you know, I- I know a lot of people listening will- will know all about his- his achievements in- in relation to the- to the Hillsborough inquest and, you know, helping our city, you know, achieve- achieve the justice that, you know, all those family...... deserved and, and what a vital role he, he, he played in that.

But I think one of the big things that, that stood out to me when he moved across to, to sport, Joe, and y- and you'll probably remember this yourself, is, you know, I was a, a young lad in me, in me early 20s and, you know, hadn't worked at the Echo for, for too long.

But he would still ask questions and, and wanna learn things from you as well.

And what does it mean for you, Sam, obviously working for the foundation?