Do you think you could expand on both of those concepts for listeners and viewers?

Oh, absolutely.

I'd, I, I'd love to.

I, I think, I think in a way this gets to my kind of origin story, how I've ended up being a microbiologist.

Uh, so if you, uh, I think slide one, right, is something we could take a look at, which is trying to position what I'm doing and what I think several other folks are doing is to put microbes in a ecological and evolutionary context.

So, so what, what, what you're looking at here is a few things on the s- on the screen.

So first of all, this, this phrase behavioral ecology.

And it's, it's this, a- and it's assigned to, uh, to Francis Crick, but it may be Leslie Or- Orgell, that evolution is smarter than you are.