So that came out for me a lot in this in this production.

Beautiful.

Yeah.

I think like the most, I mean, actually I think of connecting with David for the first time, like we knew each other, but I think the first time we, we really dropped in, I remember having the sense of, like, I can tell that you've been through the underworld and come back.

And so I trust you because I have too.

Like that, that was the thing that I was like, okay, I'm interested.

Like, let's, let's connect is because, you know, there was this, There's nothing that, that has drawn out desperation and therefore humility in me, like the search for redemption.

Can you look at what in them maybe you see in yourself and like which characteristics you also possess that might be wielding power over others unconsciously?