Um, what was it like to sort of step away or step back from this thing you had been raised in a- around that time, and how long did that last for?

Um, it was really freeing.

[laughs] I thought it was great.

Um, it was ...

W- I remember it just kind of felt like a, like a breath of relief almost, like a, like a long exhale.

Um, I really do think that I needed that space to, um, deconstruct, for lack of a better term.

I think that everybody who is raised in the Christian faith reaches a point where they do have to, uh, deconstruct, and then if they want to, they reconstruct afterwards.

This is incredible experience." What was it like to finally reach out to the parish or to other young adults and say, "How do I, how do I join this thing? Is, is there a sign-up list? Do I have to go through a course?" What was that initial investigation, um, and entrance into Catholicism like for you?