... that we sort of just skipped past h- how did Held start?

Uh, well, so this was before The Sleeping even like did a reunion.

We, me and Doug were talking, and we were just like, "Let's..." I, I kinda like hit him up.

I'm like, "Yo, let's just like do s- let's just like book some studio time and kinda record whatever." Like, you know? And it was l- way less serious at that time.

It was kinda just an idea of just like jamming and, you know, doing things here and there or whatever.

Let's just see what comes out.

So then we had a few people in mind, and we just kept like trying and see who would react th- th- that we wanted to do something.

Got it.