Okay.

You know, that was...

Like I tell everybody, that's not me.

I mean, I don't put ketchup on my hot dog.

My best friend does.

I'm not going to hate him for it.

You know, it's okay.

and

Right.

And I go look at things.

And I kept digging, and said, "Okay, a lot of this is crap." There are a lot of crackpots out there.

There are a lot of people who live through hopeism.

They tell you something 'cause they hope it's true, and they want you to believe it so you can go fight their war with them.

And I, I don't do that.

I, that's not me.

Hmm.

... into another building.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

[laughs] It's like, 'cause when you see these, you know, the thing was ruled a suicide.

Yeah, he was shot in the back 42 times.

Yeah.

[laughs] Yeah.

Yeah

So you went into not just acting, but you were a producer at one point as well.

Yeah, I've done, uh, I produced a TV show called EDM America TV.

Um, also produced a variety of different radio formats.

Um, was on the tech side of things a lot, especially early streaming.

A lot of you watching, if you remember '93, '94, there was a technology called See You See Me technology, which was before the audio was synced up.

It was just video, and then by about '95, See You See Me was starting to utilize audio.

I was working with Microsoft on that show, and then RealNetworks came along, and w- I was actually the first person to stream a radio station from here to, uh, from, from a radio station online here in Chicago.

Yeah.