and what is that and then obviously once you got hooked horse riding can be quite expensive and you spent a number of years in a caravan pursuing all your eventing and stuff what was that period like for you and were there some highs and hard bits and some funny moments

Yeah, so basically from the age of six till 14, we lived in our current house and I was riding.

And as you sort of said, like got hooked, started taking it more seriously.

Always had young ponies rather than, you know, super experienced ponies.

So was on slightly a different path and had naughty ones along the way and God knows what else.

When I was 13, we got a pony that nobody, he'd been advertised for six months and nobody bought him.

And we bought him.

What's some of the, I suppose, what does your life look like now and how did some of those projects come about?