They all ended up either taking or becoming management people in the EST program, which is, as I understand, the teaching was, the formulation was to tell the truth and to accept that your life belonged to you and that you had to make the decisions to rectify things and make things right.

What attracted me was simply that it was almost as though I could feel something in the air when people talked about it, almost like an energy that drew me.

So it wasn't mental.

It wasn't that I had a thought in my mind about it.

It was just a feeling.

It was like a kind of... unknown that I wanted to explore.

So I went there and did the course.

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Mm-hmm.

Uh, without the sun we wouldn't have [laughs] anything really.

Um, so yeah, they c- they subsist entirely on the direct energy of the sun, which is called prana.

They don't need to sleep.

Uh, so they're functioning in a very different way than we are.

And as a result, they can easily live on a, on, in a very high mountain area where we wouldn't survive 'cause it's too cold or there's nothing to eat, that type of thing, or in the middle of a desert where it's too hot and there's nothing to eat.

Well, that, those are the kinds of places they have been living, basically to just stay out of our way.

So they kind of become like- ... spirits in a way? Like, how we perceive spirits?