Right.

Um, um, and I, so I wasn't...

So I kinda like would sneak pork chops, [laughs] you know what I mean? Um, uh, and, and wouldn't study, really.

Like, you know, maybe studied the first few days or the first month, but then kinda like pu- put it away.

Um, and then this dope fiend was there, and my grandmother offered him, uh, some hot dogs.

And he was leaning, and he was like, "Yeah, man, I'll take a hot dog, but I don't, I don't want no, no pork in there.

I don't want no pork.

How'd you get to know him?

Right.

They have, you know, may- maybe there's 10 forms of actors, but that one right there is one that, that I like a lot because at the end of the day, when I'm creating a character, I, I, I want the actor to absorb that character and try to lose his self.

Mm.

40 pages maybe.

But then during the writers' strike, I was like, "I'm gonna write." And I started writing something new, um, and then that got stuck, and then I, then I f- stumbled on One Spoon of Chocolate, which had about 40 pages.

[laughs]

Then posted...

Then posted another post like, "All right, y'all.

I calmed down now."

Man.

I was very interested to see how you guys would have the conversation, 'cause y'all so excited about it, without giving the movie away.

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And the American flag is painted everywhere.

Ooh.

And, and, and, the, but the villains, they are desecrating that, right? Mm.

Because of their, their, what they're, what they're living is not that.

Mm.

Right? So it's like they're using that flag as a shield, uh, to cover their, their wickedness, let's call it, right? And he gets into a fight with them, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Yes

Was that intentional with that sound, or was that the, just the gear that you had access to that gave us that sound? Was that calculated?

I feel like, you know, and people say hindsight is 20/20, but I, I like to say that it was intentional.

My intention, when I first made hip hop, you know, you had to go to the s- first I made hip hop with a four-track tape, bro, at home.

And all my little neighborhood demos played throughout the hood.

When the GZA made his demos, they played throughout the hood.

So I'll just try to m- make the story quick.

When the GZA did his first album, I had the demo tape, and then he made the album.

When you look at the hip hop culture today, do you think that hip hop is evolving, or do you think that there is something missing with the new hip hop, because it doesn't seem to be hitting the mainstream charts as much as it has for the last 30 years?

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But, but, but, but to paraphrase it, Was, was not only hurting you, it's hurting your community-

Wow.

Right? And bro, he didn't speak to me.

Like, he almost didn't look at me, you know? And I remember, like, on the first two takes going back out, and, uh, Ridley S- Ridley Scott was like, "Oh." Like, you know, like, "What's up with this guy?" And I go...

And I, and I, and I, I was living in my own head, so I, I kinda took it a little personal.

But it wasn't at me he didn't speak.

He didn't speak to none of us.

Doesn't answer.

Right? Finally, there's a scene in the movie that wasn't written with my character and his character.

There was no interaction of my character and his character written in the movie, all right? Um, but, but Russell had insisted that this is the scene where we interrogate him.

This is the crew that brought him down.

The police would all be there on his ass, because this is the team that did it, and he want the whole team there.

Right

... nobody wants me here.

So then we do the scene, and he doesn't really smile, and, you know, doesn't even like, you know, really kinda like didn't acknowledge me.

Right.

That's why Wu-Tang forever.

And I just think that at any given moment-You don't know which one of your brothers got that spark of chi that's what you needed.

Right.

Right.

You know what I mean? I might be on a high mountain thinking, you know, whatever, RZA's on some RZA shit, you know what I mean? Right.

But I, but I needed to see you, God, that day.

Nah, but this is your, this is your show.