You probably haven't done this too much, but when I watch car racing and I see just before the start and there's so much stuff and interviews and people on the grid before you hop in your car, how do the drivers, because I come from an athletic background, how do you drivers stay relaxed when everyone wants a piece of you before you hop in the car and you've got to concentrate? Very good point.

It's sort of different for a lot of people.

Some people don't like to get talked to before they get in the car, but most of the drivers have done it for so long that you're used to it and you're just used to it, getting pulled around for interviews and photos and stuff like that.

So for myself, I'm quite calm the whole time.

during interviews and all that stuff so I'm sort of level-headed the whole time but some guys that don't do it very often get a bit worked up about it but everyone's professional in this so they all know how to work around it.

He's an absolute rocket.

Yeah, he is a rocker, as everyone's probably seen at Bathurst last week.

He pulled through and got the win for the team, and yeah, he's a two-time Bathurst winner and a champion now.

Pretty happy with that?

I'd say so, considering where we were after the first 10 laps or so with TD in the wall.

But the conditions were pretty bad out there.

I heard cars' wheels spinning on the front straight from the garage.

So, yeah, everyone survived, sort of.

So, no, it was a good comeback drive, I think.

What was it like watching from the garage?

My heart rate was very high, to be honest.

Oh yeah.

Near Lancasters.

Yeah.

So you're into mining or something then? Yeah.

So the dad started a mining business or a sort of fabrication shop 20 years ago.

Right.

So it's taken off and then sort of 2020 when COVID hit, we went into lockdown and.

Like that was a little bit late in the season, would you generally say?