And so then we started like, talking to other labels, trying to move up or move out.

Yeah.

As Danny mentioned, we started cutting a record after just dogged touring.

And I will say that the growth felt pretty incremental, even with the label.

It was like when we first signed to Triple Crown, it was like, oh, we're like a cent, a cent, a cent, and then it pretty much just flattened out and it was like we get an occasional good tour and then it would be like starvation tour, good tour, starvation tour, just back to back to back.

Yeah, that lasted pretty much that whole time and then we recorded half the record in Miami, sent it to Fred.

Fred was not excited about it at all.

like we yeah i think so that was this i think that was the that that might have been the cmj of time because we we we tried to talk to him like have a conversation about like you know what we wanted to do and we were both kind of like ah we're you know we don't we weren't business guys we were trying to be like we want we'd like more attention we would like you know but it's just like he's just like is that it he