Is that going to be like super difficult now with this new version? And, you know, what kind of changes can we start to expect with this?

So that's a really good question.

We, when we look at and thank you very much for the compliment to the team.

So when we were looking at the CCNA 2.0 blueprint, we were really looking at it from the ground up.

Like we brought in all of these people, like it was, you know, we have the good fortune of having a number of SMEs that were like you Dakota, like literally came up through like ICND1 and ICND2 and, We have a group of technical advocates, some of whom started in Netacad and now are building the very certifications that we now have.

But the real thing that happened was we brought in a lot of outside-in perspective when we were building this.

So we brought in employers of CCNAs.

Given how heavily automation skills are being pushed across the industry right now, why was the decision made to kind of pull this section out of the new version?

Appreciate it, man

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so if you go to Cisco U, uh, u.cisco.com, you'll find a free preview of that CCNA training.

What's cool is we specifically selected modules that would work for people that were either studying for version 1.1 or version 2.0.

So wherever you are on that journey, this is gonna help.But it can't just be the training.

We recognized, too, that we needed to, we needed to look at the exams.

And, and I will say this.

Perhaps you can talk us- talk about some of that.

Why don't you walk us through that announcement?

Oh, happy to.

Uh, so I think everybody knows that our certification program has been around for about thirty years.

And for me, uh, in my role, I act as the steward for that program, and, uh, I, I'm, I'm eager to make sure that that program stays at the cutting edge.

And what we've done and what we announced is really our intention of how we evolve both, uh, both CCNA and CCIE.

With CCNA, we really wanted to take an approach that was driving, uh, a job-ready approach to skills.

Uh, I think that, uh, as we've been looking at CCNA over time, it was always easy to look at it from a breadth, like a, a span of knowledge.

Right.