Isn't it weird that the Pentagon is responding so quickly when they have in the past always dragged their feet?

It's very perplexing.

I think that Korbel said that maybe they're just trying to get ahead of it.

They know this is coming out eventually, and they don't want to present themselves as trying to obstruct evidence or reality.

And I want to speak upon the question of whether these are drones or not that we were just discussing.

if these were truly drones, and if the perception is that these are way better than what we have in our arsenal, then I think it would be a national security imperative without any question whatsoever to shoot one out of the sky so that we could get it, haul it over to Area 51, and try to back engineer it.

I mean, if these things are, you know, you got 50 or 100 targets over several days and several events in a multiple event series, And they're flying for long periods of time.

Can you give us, Jesus, a view of the positive spin as we sort of wind down this program about what comes next? Do you have faith that the UAP Task Force report will be a game changer? Or are you worried it gets buried or watered down and ignored?

Uh, uh, UFO Jesus, Ryan, what do you think?

Well, I think that at the end of the day, the, the phenomenon are the architects of the secrecy, and they're the ones that really control the, the level and degree to which this infiltrates into our civilization.

I mean, that's speculation on my part, but I, I think there's some evidence to back that up.

Um, so I think that it could go either way.

It might be sensor systems are getting better, or it could be, uh, that there's, there's a more of an influx of this presence allowing itself to be seen.

Or it could, frankly, it could be a combination of the two.

Um, but, uh, but, but that, I would also say that as our sensor systems keep getting better in space, underwater, on F-18s, on our, our warships, the US government simply cannot maintain the status quo.

Ryan, you wanna start with the, the flashing triangle pyramids?

But, uh, is, is that an issue for you? Is it something to applaud, or are you discouraged that they're ever gonna get anywhere?

Uh, I think they keep ne- I need, I think they need to aggressively continue to pursue having hearings.

I, I think that Eric Burlison and Anna Paulina Luna kicked around the idea that, well, maybe we should stop doing hearings because we, we lack the subpoena powers to force people to testify.

But I don't think they should stop doing hearings.

I think they should aggressively continue to pursue them because it keeps the UFO topic in the zeitgeist.

It leads to coverage by the media, and I think it indirectly pressures the current administration, uh, to, to be reminded that the American public have a hunger to, to learn about whatever truths there are about this topic.

And, and hearings are public, they're official, they have gravitas, um, and, and it's a, it's a constant reminder to the administration, to the American people, and even to our, to our governmental agencies that you, you have to s- you gotta stop misleading the public on this topic because people are coming forward, and they're contradicting your narrative.

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So I just wonder what you're... prognostications are on that topic.

Well, I think the idea that it's all human technology is pretty silly.

The history of UFOs goes back, I mean, the modern history goes back 70, 80 years.

You have commonality of reports all over the world, including abductions.

So how do you square abductions if it's all Lockheed Martin or Boeing? And the abduction accounts are very similar across the board.

There are similar looking creatures that are reported.

similar experiences, you know, it wanted like something that, that you hear a lot is like the, the entities have wands that people see right before it knocks them out, presumably using some kind of, um, exotic technology.

After that happens, when they are sort of reexamining the history books, in your opinion, how do you think the Nimitz case will be treated? And what do you think of the lessons of the Nimitz case and the Tic Tac will be in the grand vision of how we came to understand that we're not alone?