Tell me a little bit about him and a little bit about the podcast and how it came about.

Well, so this all comes back to radio.

So back in 1998, I believe it was, when I was doing Mornings with Pat Benton, we would get these little catalogs for potential guests to come on the show.

And I was thumbing through.

It's usually people who would write a book or something like that, and they just want to come on and talk about their book.

Well, I was thumbing through, and I saw a MASH cookbook that was written by this guy, Jeff Maxwell, who played Private Igor Straminsky on MASH.

And I was like, oh, wow.

picture of of of him with uh alec burleson alec burleson wow

Yeah.

Okay.

That's an extreme example.

But where it really adds up over time is $1 million here or was it $50,000 here? Yeah.

Okay.

And those are done at whatever rate that doctor wants to put down.

And the doctor has a thing called typically a letter of protection, which is the doctor will not get paid until the case is resolved.

it raises everybody's

What progress? How bad was it? How bad is it? What progress? What needs to be done?

Grover, thank you.

I'm the CEO of Texans for Lawsuit Reform, and we are the largest group like us in the country focused on one state, and it's just on Texas.

And what Lauren said is right.

Our biggest issue, what we're seeing now in Texas, is the medical billing fraud.

It's the exact same thing.

We had a bill.

Is this getting worse? Better? Are people getting exposed?