Mm-hmm.

Like, doesn't mean that they're better or worse.

I think sometimes the late bloomers end up a little bit better and more stable as well.

There's no rhyme or reason to it, but I think, yeah, from there I, um, yeah, went out to a big dog training facility in Brisbane.

They were just grabbing dogs by the faces and they were just a small room with, like, 60, 80 dogs in it, just yelling at everyone all the time, and these dogs are, like, just so overstimulated, drooling, just carrying on.

And that was enough fuel for me at the time, saying if these people are charging, you know ...

Like, they had dogs that they're three or four years being trained and they didn't know anything, and you're like-

Mm.