What has changed, though, the most for you in terms of building trust, confidence, and then someone's belief that I need to go play for you? I

think...

You know, I think the timeline has changed for sure when it comes to how quickly the relationship has to get built.

You only get a couple months to truly build a relationship with these guys.

June 15th of their junior year is the first time you can really communicate unless you have them on campus, you know, with a camp and whatnot.

But even then, you're only doing it for a day or two, right? So I think that the timeline has certainly changed.

He used to maybe be able to build that relationship for a couple years earlier.

Give me your thought about just how he does what he does.

when the target seems to change every year?

You know, the target is moving full time, there's no doubt about it.

Everybody wants to talk about that.

You know, decisions are getting made every single week that's changing.

And I'm not gonna say, sit here and say I love it.

I, 'cause, uh, 'cause I don't.

But what I do love is gathering a group of guys at the beginning of the year.

But what role did Bruce Hepler play in this transition in your career from Oklahoma to Georgia Tech? What kind of a foundation does he l- left for you that you can help even accentuate?

So what led to the, to the decision and, you know, just how's the whole, how's the whole situation been for you mentally, emotionally?

Well, first of all, appreciate you boys having me on.

Uh, I'm just such a big fan of both of you.

And, um, I'll say this, Oklahoma has just been so good to us.

Um, and it's not just on the golf side.

You know, fortunately because of my brother's background, the football world has been, you know, just amazing for me, for my family, and you two guys have been just phenomenal for us, so thank you.

Um, yeah, the decision, it's, it's been a long, long, hard springtime, uh, for us as a family.

... what, kind of looking back over those 17, what are you most proud of?