... go from that point.

We start- I was in the Navy, came from California to Virginia Beach, and I went to nuclear power school for the Navy for a couple years, and then came here and was on a ship.

And when I got out of the Navy, we start...

I knew I didn't wanna do that, so we started a business.

We actually bought a business, a shipping business, and ran that for a while, and during that time we started in real estate.

Like everybody, I read the Rich Dad Poor Dad thing, early 2000, and I'm like, "I need to buy property." So we...

I have a family that's really heavily inve- invested in real estate.

... not feel like you were so bundled up in the chaos?