How did that, what was the evolution of that? Like what, how did you get introduced to it? How did you make that first trip? How did it, what caught you about it that was particularly special or engaging that you wanted to pursue more?

So, I mean, I would say again, back to that answer that I, that I gave you earlier about where I live, you have to plan and you have to, you have to, you know, probably dream about and then plan and then implement pretty much any of these wing shooting trips that I go on, whether it's pheasant hunting out West, whether it's, you know, desert quail in New Mexico, all of them take some daydreaming and some planning and, you know, um, So those trips to England or to Spain or to any of these other places that I daydreamed about, they really were no different as far as the mental process.

I mean, yeah, it's bigger, it's... further, you know, the logistics sometimes are a little more complicated.

Frankly, sometimes they're not.

I mean, I've been to places in the United States where logistically it's a whole lot harder to get to than when we met up, you know, to go to Leuton in the UK last September.

So...

so I think I didn't have that barrier that, Oh, that's just too big, too far.

Do you shoot any British guns? Do you own any British guns? I

Yeah.

A good magazine's gonna have beautiful imagery, you know? I love the advertisements, you know? They don't, they don't get in my way.

I like to see ads.

Certainly love the, the, you know, the, the great editorial, whether it's things that can kinda let my imagination run or can teach me a thing or two, um, kinda hone the, hone the craft.

So I love that experience.

So I really tried to make my podcast, um, parallel that, I suppose, in, in, in different ways.

Um, every episode introduces a topic, and, um, I will try to, in my introduction, give, you know, kinda set the stage for what we're gonna talk about, uh, in the rest of that episode, and they're typically about an hour long.

Mm-hmm