Like, how do you feel going into this off-season about where the Celtics are at?

Um, I think a lot of people will change their opinion based on who wins the rest of the NBA finals, basically.

Um, one of the things that I've been struggling with the, the team for the last, you know, for the Tatum and, and Brown era really, is, like, we had this, like, 40-year run where you had to have a certain level number one player on your roster in order to have any, like, real chance of, of even maybe getting to the finals, let alone winning it.

And now, maybe going back to Toronto, um, winning it with Kawhi, we have this, this now set of seasons where mostly it is still teams winning the actual championship that have a Jokic or a Giannis or a LeBron or Steph or whomever.

But you do see these teams that are particularly coming out of the East that are not traditional NBA champions.

And, and if the Knicks win it now, after, you know, Indiana, who were really weird, coming one game and, and maybe one injury away from, from it last year, and the Celtics winning it with, with a very, uh, an excellent team, obviously, but without Michael Jordan, right?

Mm-hmm

... of trying to get back to where they were.