... ignored you for a day or so.

Dude, her phone got shut off.

Uh, I'm guessing because she didn't pay her bill.

That's on her.

And honestly, man, my last girlfriend, dude, was freaking horrible with money.

Been there, done that.

I'm out.

That's kind of true.

What's the false attack? Tell us about the false attack.

There's a big...

So everyone's in the ocean.

Well, you see a fin, you know, slowly going across the, uh, the water there, and so every- everyone's freaking out.

Everyone's screaming.

Everyone's, uh, running to the shore.

And it's funny because these are all locals to Martha's Vineyard, so if, like, you pay attention, uh, to the scene and you don't watch it in 3X like some of you did, uh, then you can tell that some of the people are, like, laughing and, like, having fun and stuff when they should be looking terrified.

... to, to explain that.

[laughs]

But, um, like I said, he appeared at two events.

He appeared in 2022 at HHN 31 in the Sweets Revenge scare zone, which was in New York.

Um, was real trick-or-treat vibes to it.

Um, there was no real in-depth story told with this one, but he appeared alongside, um, his delivery truck as well as, um, during that time he was kind of crucial in the poisoning of children who ate and then started attacking adults, the candy.

It's a, it's a weird story that definitely didn't have enough fleshing out.

But luckily, um, we didn't have to wait too much longer, because the following year...

[laughs]

[laughs]

And I'm just saying, right? Like, Monopoly was intended, really it's an anti-capitalist game, right? As an outcome of the, like, the Gilded Era, you know, uh, in the United States.

So it's really important to, like, acknowledge that, yeah, it's designed to accumulate, right? And so what does this mean for the future when we're prioritizing data center water over human drinking water? And if we're really honest about data centers, it's really the panopticon police surveillance state, which is this outcome of empire and decline.

And so we got this surveillance state.

We got advanced robotics.

Maybe Boston Dynamics, they're teaching these things how to break dance and do back flips and carry refrigerators.

Well, and, and, and, yeah, I agree.

So in the, in the context of race, let me just land the plane too, in the context of race, right? This was the plan, right? To divide the poor and working class among each other, was this divide and conquer tactic around race.

Mm.

Right? If I had good mentors, I had real support like we offer.

Um, so we had some, we had some dark times at the beginning.

Three months in, I felt like quitting because the, the noise around me was getting a bit too much.

I had people WhatsApping me at 2:00 a.m.

I had people fucking telling me, uh, you know, laughing at me.

I had friends that I worked with on my day off at work were taking the piss out of me in the kitchen.

But is there anyone that you can speak about openly, like some of the most interesting people you've worked with?

Yeah.

And so the physical altercation between them definitely shouldn't have been in there.

I think that was a huge mistake that Kirkman wrote.

And then I'd argue this issue is another big mistake.

I think-I've said this before.

I mean, I've read a lot of Kirkman's stuff.

He's very hit and miss.

What about you, Ryan?

[laughs]

...

if you can get me within a mile of my mother's house." So he calls his wife.

She shows up with a minivan full of children, just screaming at him in Spanish.

She drops me off, like, a mile from my mother's house, and there had, had just been this big storm, so there was no power, uh, in our neighborhood.

So I walk in the snow, uh, to my mother's house.

I don't have keys.

Yeah.

[laughs]

Hmm.

Must be from the videos or something where I've had, you know, scripted lines.

But yeah, they were just like, "Wait, sorry, are you the rhino?" I was just like, "Yeah, yeah." I was like, "Oh, we, we watched recently."

We give you that hug.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When did you guys start noticing weird stuff going on and around the property prior to Emilyn seeing it?

About, I'm trying to think, Emilyn's thirteen, so about ten years ago, my sister acquired thirty acres.

Just shortly thereafter, I was able to acquire the thirty acres next to it.

So between my sister and I, we have thirty acres, field, oak trees, some apple trees that were left over from the previous farming days when it was a different family that owned it.

And then there's like a creek that runs down along the back.

And we're the only ones out there.

So I don't know, I-- when I first started noticing things, I guess it would be maybe like we would always be out.

Kind of from your perspective, tell me about what, what happened that night.

Right.

All of us grew up as kids with, you know, 20 bucks.

Um, so I went way overboard.

And then I actually found a lot of insight on Reddit, funny enough, like the sport c- card subs on there, and then I ended up on-

It was an auction, right?

... on auction in October last fall, and it was never paid for.

At the time I didn't have the funds to buy it, so I was like, "Oh, whatever," like I missed it.

And then it, someone must have not paid 'cause three weeks later it popped up again.

I mean, me and Mike do it with our businesses as much as we can, but, um, has social media been good to you organically?

Yeah, man, it's a huge, it's a huge asset.

It's one of the most important tools you can use as a, as a business owner, as, you know, anybody really.

It, it's, it's fricking amazing what you're able to do with it.

I think the problem is, is that, uh, most people treat it differently than they do in their normal lives.

Like, most people who are, uh, pretty social, I guess, like everybody in here, I see the chats and everything.

Like, everybody's kind of fired up.

[laughs]

[laughs] Mr. Ryan, fellas.

What up, fellas? Can you hear me?

I'm not sure, but go ahead and fill us in on MOVE first.

You know, I'm not an expert.

I did, uh, visit Philadelphia for a wedding a couple years ago, and I visited both the Tun- site of Tun Tavern, which was the first Marine Corps recruiting station, part of our lore, and I also visited Cobbs Creek and the site of the MOVE bombing in 1985.

And I, I'll be honest with you, I had much more of, like, an emotional experience in Cobbs Creek and, you know, just at the site of that.

And yes, you know, the police from a helicopter dropped C4 on these people, and they did not allow fire department to intervene for 90 minutes.

Uh, I think five adults were killed, and six children also lost their lives.

And I think this is important 'cause I think a week ago or two we were talking about, uh, 13 people allegedly killed in Iran.

Was us going to war wrong?

So how, how was your lower Columbia-

Uh, it was good.

It was good.

Honestly, we had, uh, some dirty water conditions, right.

Um, coming into the season, it looked like we were gonna have, like, this eight feet of visibility, warm water, and then we got a storm front right before, like, April 1st that came through.

Water colored up, um, little bit tougher, but we were still getting them, and once the turbidity came down, we really started getting them good.

Okay.

Yeah, it flooded like in Orofino.

And I'm kinda curious what you think and what you credit for the pop punk and emo comeback.

Yeah, you know, it's super interesting, right? 'Cause you had, you know, Warped was this thing, this, this beast unto itself, you know, where it combined cultures.

It combined, you know, like, kinda the X Games with skate punk, with, you know, with hip hop, with eventually hardcore and emo and screamo and, um, you know, heavier bands with Taste of Chaos kind of as an offshoot with that.

Um, and I think those, uh, the bands that kind of, uh, proliferated around that time, you know, kinda benefited from technology in a way.

You know, being able to disseminate their music, uh, being able to, like, record at home and even, like, self-produce at home and be able to kinda present that to labels who were like, "Yeah, we'll get behind that," you know?We'll either re-record it with, you know, with, with professional producers, or we'll, like, put it out as is, and you guys get to just keep all that.

And, like, goes into tour support.

You know, and then, like, you're throwing bands on tour.

How did you guys feel about it kinda coming up, and then is there any change to how you feel about it now?

Ry Guy, what'd you think of it?

This episode was solid.

I, you know, it was...

I'm a little torn here because I found this e- episode by far to be the most engaging of the season so far, but I also have a lot of wait, what's- Yeah ... and a lot of them are plot-related.

Yeah.

Right? So they're not like LOL funny things.

There's a couple of those, but it's, it's a tough spot to be in because I was entertained by the episode, and I cannot say I was entertained by the first two episodes.

[laughs]

But people are loving it.

Do you think you're gonna change, or are you just gonna stay you, like, as your profile continues to rise?

That's just pleasure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, I, I saw this pr- I didn't know who he was.

I saw this PrEP video.

I was like, "This is s-" And then what happened? He went to Vegas, and then they didn't like him, so he left?

Is the deputy able to determine that Walter is going to Sophia's house or just that the car is parked legally and we don't have grounds here to have a report or anything?

Yeah.

So that's what the deputy discovers is that he has no idea where the owner or the occupant of the vehicle is.

But just like in any other neighborhood, you could have a guest over, even somebody, a family relative or family friend visiting.

We get these calls, and sometimes they're nothing, and so we just clear them out.

But it was a good data point for me later on following back up to say that Walter's vehicle was in fact in front of the house during this timeframe.

So Sophia and Walter's relationship continues, but it's coming to an end, and I'll kinda go into that.

So how does Walter take the breakup?

Biking is not really my strong suit.

Wait a second.

You're scared? Scared of biking? [laughs] I thought this challenge was about finding swans, but all I see is a chicken.

[laughs] Bock, bock, bock, bock, bock, bock, bock, bock.

Ryan? What are you doing here? Weren't you way up ahead?

Yeah, I was so far ahead, I doubled back before the bridge.

I just couldn't resist.

I haven't had a good bike ride in weeks.

[clears throat]

So to flesh out his backstory was important.

But the more they bring him back, I feel like the more we just kinda go ring around the rosy with it, and it's the same old stuff over and over.

Uh, to the point of Elliott, him and Kat continue to have no chemistry, and not only do they have no chemistry, I feel like they really go out of their way to make them very unlikable and just, like, unrelatable to the audience.

Like, they've done this whole hoopla, song and dance for years.

At no point on or off camera they've talked about what they're gonna do with kids after, after they get married.

It's just like they're just very unlikable chara- I like Kat.

Ugh

Why?

So the, the models with Claude at the moment, like, uh, real wor- real world use cases, like I have found, or we have found internally too, that it is far better at sounding human, thinking through pro- pr- uh, problems, and also not just agreeing with you, first and foremost.

So that's the biggest thing.

Their models are evolving better, and then there's these things called Claude Cowork that allow you to set up projects that can actually then manage things on your computer.

Mm.

So then you might be thinking, "Well, that's one email." Simple.

It's still an AI at that point.

You can say, here's a tip for everyone, you get the top 10 questions from your members in your studio, your Pilates studio.

So what happened this time, mate?

Um, well, I, I went to the, to the usual block and, um, had a bit of a look around.

There wasn't as much sign as normal when it came to the reds, but I sort of perched up in a, I don't know, just a nice little spot I could sort of see probably, I don't know, a fair bit of country anyway, and a couple of hind calls and, um, I ended up filming a few younger red stags coming in.

I had a, I think he was like a four by four or five by five or something.

And then one really young bloke.

Um, had a couple of what sounded like better fellas roaring further off, but they were over the fence into the navies unfortunately, so that one was a no-go.

Um, spent a few days up there and then went to another block of mine, uh, that's only got two pretty small little gullies in it.

How did they all play about?

Yeah.

Ear- early in the season.

Once, once you see those, I would say as the counts are climbing, and if your water temp's still cool enough, I think herring is definitely something that should be in your arsenal.

Um, and I guess kinda as the crowds show up, the shrimp game turns into pretty strong, you know? But, uh-

And you think that's just a pressure thing to where they're seeing so much stuff, and it's just, you know, that smaller presentation?

Yeah, and there's, there's a time.

Like, I, I say herring is, like, first two hours, last two hours of daylight.

Like, if I go out there, I'm gonna kill couple, two, three fish on the herring.

[laughs] Maybe that's the ticket.

ticket.This episode is completely fine.

It's largely coherent, um, plays up the threads of last week.

I would also say it's decently, uh, per Dan's point, forgettable.

Um, and it's still nearly impossible for me to buy into the stakes of what this season is asking me to do.

I'm not really here to talk about this week's episode, though.

I, but I- There we go ...

Dude.

... who aren't staff, and then we'll talk through the client manifesto.

Let's do it.

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