if that's fine.

Will most likely understand, but [laughs] no, I'm also 40 years in the industry, in the maritime industry.

I started, uh, on the n- uh, studying at the Nautical College in Flushing in 1983.

Um, after that, I sailed for a short while on dredging vessels, and I went to the, uh, Dutch Fire Academy in, uh, 1991.

And both the maritime part as well as the firefighting part, I, I really love to combine those two.

So I start working for RISC at the Maasvlakte, and I was ma- mainly responsible for the emergency response team in those days, uh, working for Smit, Smit Tak, and for Wismuller, and sometimes also on behalf of P&I Clubs.

Beside that, I did a lot of, uh, investigations.

Yeah.