simply serving to stoke division what would be your response to councillor cunningham

well i mean you said councillor cunningham is a conservative i mean are we sure Because that doesn't sound much like a Conservative to me in terms of the Conservative Party and conservatism with a small c, supposed to be focused on the protection of the public.

I mean, Tom Cunningham as the Conservative leader of Rangetree Council sounds more like a Liberal Democrat, doesn't he? That sounds like an apologist for the migrants that he seeks to call service users, or indeed, why not call them customers? Should we call them customers? No, let's call them what they are, which is illegal migrants, some of whom, not all, are a threat to the British public.

You know, in the last two years, there have been something like 500 press articles relating to migrants, not just from Wethersfield, but elsewhere, that have not just committed crime, but have committed violent and sexual crime across Britain.

Britain.

And they can rehearse that in terms of the detail all day long, because those crimes, many of those leading to convictions, are very, very real.

And of course, the victims of those crimes now have to live with those crimes by those migrants on a daily basis.

How worried are you about left-wing activist groups consulting with the migrants from Wethersfield? And what do you think about our far-right pensioners? They think they're winning.

Have you got any idea at this point in time what that is going to entail, Russell?

Yeah, l- can I talk in general terms? 'Cause, uh, Peter Harris, who was elected leader, who's also the mayoral candidate for Reform for Essex, um, he, he and I, you won't be surprised, have been kind of, uh, locked in a room with the chief executive and a number of officers here all day today.

So as we shoot this, this is, uh, as we film this, this is, uh, Tuesday the 12th of May.

So we are, we know exactly what we're doing from an ideological perspective, but in terms of the detail of the vision and the execution of a strategy around that, obviously we're formulating that as we are a cabinet.

So I think it'd probably be unfair on cabinet members to kind of roll out exactly what we're doing in detail without having consulted them.

You know, we are a democratic party, after all.

But, uh, it won't be a surprise to learn that, um, we're gonna fill a few more potholes than the Conservatives did in Essex.

And also linked companies that mean that, you know, companies that have, uh, the same directors, uh, even if they're not turning over £250,000, they still have to pay 25%.

And I just wonder, like, is there maybe a little bit of arrogance sneaking in? And I don't say that as a critic, but just in the sense that this electoral system is currently so goddamn volatile.

Well, Dan, I certainly haven't heard anything in the way of complacency from anyone in the reform team.

I think we're very grateful for the votes, frankly.

You know, in terms of taking Nigel all the way to Downing Street, I think this demonstrates that that trajectory is definitely on point.

But we're not arrogant about it.

We're not complacent about it.

We value every vote.

Essex is huge because this was the conservative heartland, as in big C conservative heartland,