Or do you think that it sort of obscures something else bigger, more structural when we focus on individuals and their transformations?

Yeah, good question.

Great question.

Because I do think that I think that the emphasis on what we can do as individuals is in a way admirable and extraordinary.

But I also think that we have to be very clear that it's not enough.

And what people like St. Francis ought to inspire us to do and what Pope Francis wrote about in his marvellous encyclical, Laudato Si'.

is a lot more to do with the kind of structural, systemic, collective action that is absolutely required if we are to steer ourselves out of the disastrous situation that we're in.

Could Pope Francis' encyclical, as described by Comedy and Peter just there, kind of help you out there? I mean, is it just too far away from the world of practical change that you want to see?

Or Zach Polanski.

If they were to listen to, to me, the, the first lot of things I'd be saying is the things I've just said.

You know, think about what you can do to make it possible for us to w- all work together.

As Clive has already implied, top of that list has to be, uh, electoral reform, and Burnham has committed to electoral reform.

It will be a huge betrayal if at minimum that is not firmly on the manifesto of Labour going into the next general election.

There might be ways, we've discussed before on this podcast, that it could be brought, be brought in before then.

I'm open to thinking about those ways.

If you were asked, how would you create a voting system that actually brings power to those with wisdom and wisdom to those with power?

So tell us what you actually wrote and w- what you would like to see happen.

Well, thanks, Manda.

Let's start with the letter.

And the lovely fact is that basically what the letter asked for is what has happened, right? What the letter actually asked for is for the Greens not to throw the kitchen sink at Makerfield, not to try everything they possibly could, which is what they did to win it, on the grounds primarily [laughs] that they won't succeed if they tried in Makerfield.

It's a far harder seat for the Greens than Gorton and Denton was.

But also crucially on the grounds that Neil gave, that this is a completely unique by-election.

This is a by-election where we have someone who is aspiring to be the next prime minister during this Parliament seeking to re-enter Parliament, and he's just confirmed as of yesterday at the time of recording his keenness on moving to proportional representation, electoral reform, which is so desperately needed.

Okay.

Well, Tahnee Fraser is the assistant editor at Conservative Home, and Rupert Read is a Green Party member and former councilor in Norwich.

I think there are at least two really good reasons for just about anybody who's got a few brain cells to rub together to want Andy Burnham to be the MP who emerges from this by-election.

The first is that Andy Burnham is the one man who can bring down Keir Starmer, which is what nearly everybody wants.

And the second is that Andy Burnham is well-placed to run credibly for prime minister and to fight Reform alongside other parties at the next general election.

And it's so important in my view, that we stop Reform winning the next general election, which most people want.

Most people do not want Reform to win the next general election.

It's so important that we've got to think beyond narrow party interest to who is best placed to be part of a, a coalition who could potentially stop Reform.

Is that what you're saying?

Um, so, so what do we replace them with or, or wh- where do we go, Rupert?

Well, let me start with Christiana Figueres because it is quite remarkable the shift in her position recently.

She's been the key proponent of so-called stubborn optimism for the last 10 years.

Stick with the process, double down, et cetera.

And now she's finally saying, "We're not gonna solve climate change." Sh- she's starting, as I see it, to face into the awful reality that we're in.

And that is essential, because if we, only if we do that will we, A, be in a position to actually cope with what's going to be coming at us climatically.

And that takes us to adaptation, which hopefully we'll talk about in a minute.

Um, Rupert?