Can you tell us a bit about what your thinking is behind that and then how Nigel has reacted?

Yeah, well, my thinking is consistent, Toby, with what I did when I set up Restore Britain as a movement, not as a party to start with, because I've always wanted to unite.

And I don't call it, as it's been labelled by our left wing media, I don't call it far right views.

I call them common sense views.

And if you look at our economic paper, it's full of common sense logic and returning power to the individual and taking it away from what I think is now a corrupt state throughout, which I see on the Public Accounts Committee.

And it was thanks to my setting up a movement that the Tories decided to ask me to join the Public Accounts Committee as their nominee.

Largely because I've got 20 years experience in the city of London and I also am involved in a number of different private businesses.

with,

So a fight to the death

... that, that, that is, that is, that is, that is not the most intelligent way of dealing with it, and we've seen what the left do, Dan.

I mean, the left do vote tactically.

They do find accommodations.

They do stand aside in certain seats or, uh, support, support each other in other seats.

So the right's never done that, I, I think largely because the left is less principled than the right.

I think, I think the right tends to be a lot of high-minded, highly principled people who often, uh, think they know best, and, and as a result it's much more difficult to unite the right than it is the left.

Can you just be completely honest and transparent now? Is there any type of deal, and has there been any type of fallout?

So- They did this on purpose, and they brought in people from what country specifically?

Well, initially you got, you got in Britain, uh, you got people from Africa, you got the Windrush, uh, generation, so you got a lot of Africans came, uh, ostensibly to fill jobs that they always say the British people don't want to do, and it, it gathered momentum.

Uh, it was relatively slow to start with, so you, you, you had an influx of people coming to the UK.

You had open borders in Europe, so one of the, the absolute, uh, embedded rules they have is this freedom of movement concept, so they don't have effectively national borders.

But we, we still obviously had the, the, the, the Channel, but we embraced this, and we started this, uh, immigration.

What happened, uh, is it gradually happened, and I think these rape gangs have been going on, or we know they have s- for 30, 40, probably 50 years to a lesser extent.

But when Tony Blair got in and he undermined a lot of constitutional sort of historical law, uh, you got an acceleration of immigration, uh, from other parts of the world, not, not just from Europe, but also from other countries, uh, South Asian countries in particular, who came, uh, to the UK.

Why is that? What, is that a failure of your media? Is it a failure of the politicians? Like, why, why don't people know about this?

If he can do that, where do his votes go, or who does he encourage the votes g- to go to? So in the complex, um, nature of British politics, he, he does fit in there somewhere.

Well, look, I, I've publicly given him credit for what he's done on the rape gangs.

As you know, we've just put out this 219-page crowdfunded report on this pervasive evil which has been stalking Britain for 30, 40, probably 50 years, and it is a direct consequence of immigration, um, and, and this post-war fixation with multiculturalism, which has palpably failed.

And, and Tommy Robinson, uh, uh, identified this, and I think the sort of pathological hatred which our establishment has for him is driven by the fact that they've been wrong, and he's been right about it.

And as time goes by, he's been proved more right.

Uh, and look, I don't-- I've said in, in the past, I don't know what else he's done which they've taken exception to.

Uh, I, I, I, uh, he ap- he appeared at our rape gang inquiry.

Yeah.

Where did you get that number from?

You're quite right.

Well, it's an estimate from what we've seen and the inquiry we've done.

But you're quite right.

They call them Asian grooming gangs.

And we point out on... on x and i should say we all owe elon musk a huge vote of thanks patrick for buying uh twitter and turning it into a free speech platform um and you know that has given a lot of protections to the british people because otherwise i suspect as we're seeing things would be would be suppressed But the answer is they call them Asian grooming gangs.

We point out that Japan is in Asia and this is not a Japanese issue.

Will they even go to jail for doing this?

Is that really their logo?

That was their logo.

Wolf in sheep's clothing.

I mean, you couldn't, you know, as I said to you, they were eugenicists.

They were, you know, I mean, pretty extraordinary people.

And again, I think if you're a libertarian and you're a free thinker, it would be the antithesis of everything you believe in.

David Olusoga, Ph.D.: So look, I mean most of the Labor front bench or fabian's Donald trump's favorite man who is gradually destroying London or quite quickly destroying London Sadiq Khan he's a Fabian.

I mean, you're looking at Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson, James Gallagher, quite a few names, but wasn't Keir Starmer, before he became prime minister, one of his jobs, wasn't it child care services? Didn't that fall under his responsibilities? I

What do you tell somebody like that?

Well, if the rule of law is working properly, Patrick, you want people to obey the law and abide by the law and respect the rule of law.

But the question, I guess, is how long do you put up with a deficient legal system, a deficient police response, and an evil which is damaging the interests of your young people? I mean, sooner or later, people do have to act.

But you've probably seen, as we were talking earlier, that the state clamps down very much on any form of dissent from the indigenous population, far more aggressively than they do other people, because they know that once that gets out of control, then we end up with a very serious problem.

And the issue we've got is that we have these illegal Migrants arriving, you know, they're called asylum seekers.

I call them economic migrants.

They're definitely not asylum seekers.

But if you're crossing the line and raping, all the laws are outside, especially if the jurisdiction and the law is not protecting, what is that father supposed to do?

But the question that I think the audience needs

to...

It was terrible because what happened is there was like a roadmap to it.

And some of that roadmap revoltingly centered around establishment... homes for girls who didn't have a proper sort of mother and father so they were in the care of the establishment if you like so this was happening as you could probably see in these care homes where the most vulnerable girls were were residing with no parental structures around them just an establishment structure it was also happening and and this happened to marlon west and and and his daughter i think was called scarlet from from memory in the report you've probably probably seen it So they were groomed early.

So they were groomed.

It's linked to the taxi industry, which again, there's a lax licensing structure here in the UK, which allows these taxis to be licensed.

And a lot of them were licensed out of somewhere called Wolverhampton in the Midlands.

And so

So why do you think, one, he resigned, and why has UK had seven different prime ministers the last 10 years?

Well, as I think we discussed briefly when we spoke, which was an enjoyable call on Sunday evening, it's indicative of a sort of historical, what I call heavyweight country that is in decline.

And I think where it's gone wrong is that Parliament, which basically is supposed to be populated by 650 MPs who represent the people, they are supposed to be omnipotent and they are supposed to effectively protect the interests of the British people and the British nation.

But you have to lay the blame, I think, for what is happening at the door, arguably of Tony Blair largely and his changes to our constitution and his introduction of various acts and laws which undermined our constitution, which as you know, had served us extremely well and delivered probably the highest trust society on earth with the best functioning parliament judiciary civil service where you had a vocational civil service that was basically required to deliver and it was in its DNA to deliver.

Obviously, a lot of the stuff emanated from Empire, from the fact that we as a small nation were administering a very large percentage of the globe.

But I think what's happening, and you often see this throughout history, is great nations wax and wane.

And I think we are slowly waning.

Let me ask you, how much of it is they're avoiding touching or addressing issues that the people actually want because they're trying to, you know, they're afraid of the minority few that are too loud? What are they afraid of? What are they afraid of doing?

So why do you think, one, he resigned, and why has UK had seven different prime ministers the last 10 years?

Well, as I think, uh, we discussed, uh, uh, briefly when we spoke, which was a, a, a, an, an enjoyable call on Sunday evening, uh, it's indicative of a, of, of a, a sort of historical, uh, what I call heavyweight country that is in decline.

And I think where it's gone wrong is that Parliament, which basically, uh, is supposed to be populated by 650 MPs who represent the people, uh, they are supposed to be omnipotent, and they are supposed to effectively, uh, protect the interests of the British people and the British nation.

But you have to lay the blame, I think, for what is happening at the door, arguably of Tony Blair largely, and his, uh, changes to our constitution, where, and, and his introduction of various, uh, uh, acts and laws which undermined our constitution, which, as you know, uh, had served us extremely well and, and delivered probably the highest trust society on Earth with the best functioning parliament, judiciary, civil service, where you had a vocational civil service that was basically, uh, uh, uh, required to deliver and, and, and, and it was in its DN- DNA to deliver.

Uh, obviously a lot of the stuff emanated from empire, uh, from the fact that we, as a small nation, were administering a very large percentage of the globe.

But I think what's happening, and as you often see this throughout history, is, is, is great nations, uh, uh, wax and wane, and I think we are slowly waning.

Uh, and in answer to your question, I, I don't think we now have this functioning civil service.

Maybe walk us through, for somebody that's not read the report, what's in the report? What are the findings?

named, he's part of the cover-up in your

report.

I believe, well, Andy Burnham didn't do enough in Manchester, which is obviously one of the hubs of this.

Obviously, the Labour Party, in my view, if people read that report, I cannot see any justification ever for voting Labour again, which is why I actually think it doesn't make any sense difference which chair they shuffle on the deck of the Titanic.

I think the Labour Party is going down, Dan.

And when I look at the quality of the front bench ministers, when I look at the quality of their MPs, I've just literally come out of a public accounts committee talking about Scunthorpe and British Steel.

Well, the one question nobody wants to answer is if we have this ludicrous energy policy, which makes our energy the most expensive in Europe and probably in the world, reviving a steel industry, which is costing the British taxpayer currently one and a half million a day with no long-term plan, doesn't make any sense.

Do you want to explain to everyone, because not everyone will be familiar with Marlon, I obviously am, and his brilliant work, but do you want to explain who he is and why you have decided to choose him?

How do you see what is happening to Britain and to the larger West?

Well, look, uh, as you, as you've seen today, I'm, I'm, I'm accused of basically being a neo-Nazi.

Well, uh, I've given you a book on our family company.

I run multiple family businesses.

Uh, we employ multiple staff.

I guess a bit like you, I, I was brought up in an era when everything did work.

I think, uh, the war had been won.

It does not-- Yes, I can imagine that they might have short-term objectives, but long term it appears to be the killing of the goose that lays the golden eggs, and, um, it, it is hard to imagine that they will produce a replacement that even serves their interest, whoever they might be.

Rupert Lowe, I am a bit starstruck.

Well, I don't know why.

I mean, I, I, I, I'm nothing special.

All I do is stand up in Parliament and tell the truth, and that sh- seems to shock everybody, which shows you how bad it's gone wrong.

But, um, today I'm in Makerfield with Rebecca Shepherd, who's our candidate for Restore Britain.

Incredibly brave lady.

Uh, she's part of the local community.

I am a mother that is concerned and have common sense, but how would you sum up Restore?

What do you think it is about Restore Britain's messaging that's really cutting through for the

public? Well, I think it's about common sense, team effort.

It's about basically restoring representative democracy in our parliament.

And I think people are tired of tire kickers in local government, tire kickers in national government, petty rules, petty bureaucracy, lack of common sense.

You know, we're all having our lives destroyed by petty bureaucracies who are effectively enriching the legal profession and not benefiting the British people.

So you have this... little group of what I call white collar workers who I hope are going to be destroyed by AI, who are enriching themselves like parasites on the back of everybody else.

And we have to stop that.

And so I would just say, the smears that are coming out, what would you say about those who are saying about splitting the vote, this nonsense about splitting the vote?

Rupert furious about this on Times Radio.

So I think its duty is to inform, educate, and entertain with complete impartiality, and the key word is impartiality.

And as, as a national monopoly, if your charter says that's what you should do, that's what you should do.

And we have written basically to the BBC today, we've posted that on X.

Uh, and, and we've written to, to Ofcom as well.

Uh, and ultimately, you know, we, we don't, we don't think this is right.

It's not the way in which the BBC should behave, and it's a breach of their charter.

Is there any secret deal with the Conservatives? Does Restore want to see the Conservatives back into power? And do you have these daily conversations with Kemi Badenoch as Farage's close ally claimed?

He sent his deputy to do so.

I think we should be hearing from Donna Jones, who has, always has plenty to say for herself.

She's a, uh, crime commissioner.

She always has plenty to say about how she's going to hold the chief constable to account for knife crime and for, uh, any form of violence against innocent people.

Uh, we haven't, uh, as far as I'm aware, aware, heard anything from her either.

And you've probably seen that we've been, uh, posting about the fact that we now, as we have in the past, think it's a, a matter of urgency that we have a, a referendum of the British people o- on the return of the death penalty.

And I would personally campaign in favor of that, but I would respect, like I would any referendum vote, unfortunately our government didn't in 2016 respect the referendum [laughs] outcome.

Yes

Bread and circus.

It, it's, it's, it's a sh- it's a, it's a circus.

It's a show.

But I actually now think that the British people, and, and the most powerful thing I think that happened was that when four of us got elected into Parliament from outside, uh, uh, politics, that was myself, Tice, uh, Nigel Farage, uh, and, um, James Murdoch.

So we, we ended up being elected in, uh, July 24, and that was I think our biggest achievement, and then all that I do in Parliament now, and I'm not a rocket scientist, Peter, I know that.

I'm just a, you know, 68-year-old, relatively successful, uh, I think, uh, patriot who cares about his country and cares about the people who works for him and wants to leave a legacy of a better country than the one I, I, I, I started in, which is at the moment gonna be an uphill struggle to achieve that, but I'm...

It's not stopping me trying.

But what happens to the country?

about David Lammy or Rachel Reeves?

Honestly, Carl, I went into Parliament thinking, you know, I've been in business all my life.

These people must be able, they must be bright, they must know something.

Right.

Let me tell you definitively, they know nothing.

And these are the people making the decisions.

These are the people who are trying to hold the civil service to account.

they're everywhere.

I presume you're not wanting to do a deal with Nigel Farage now? You fight on.

Oh, well, evening, Dan.

How good of you to have me on.

It's always a pleasure to be on your show.

Well, look, we've just kept quiet.

As you know, we've managed our own affairs.

We've not been covered by most of the mainstream media, particularly the at what I call Nigel Farage Broadcasting Channel, GB News.

You do this on your own as Restore Britain, no deals.

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I think the key, Andrew, is again...

Emily called me racist, I'm not remotely a racist.

I have no problem with targeted immigration.

And I don't mind where those people come from as long as they bring with them skills that are gonna contribute to our society and they respect what Britain is, what Britain historically has been, and what we are now.

So they have to respect us.

And what we haven't got is integration.

Yeah.

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I look at what's happening in Parliament, and with the experience I've got in multiple industries, multiple businesses, 20 years in the city, I can seldom get a question in.

I'm an independent MP, and even though I've got expertise in football, even talking on the football governance bill was very difficult for me because I have very little standing.

And Parliament's not interested in actually going to people who've got knowledge, it's interested in running using raw power.

And the power of the elected government, Andrew, it's incredible.

They can sideline people.

They can ignore debate.

But is that because they might be implicated, you think? Well,

It's been running through the country since 2000, just as you mentioned, as immigration started to go up dramatically.

And it's a case of the establishment, and that's the police, that's social services, it's the NHS, it's local politicians.

It's all of the establishment have literally turned a blind eye and walked along the other side of the street.

Meanwhile, vulnerable white working class girls have been richly abused by largely Pakistani Muslim men.

There's some Afghanistanis and some Bangladeshis, but the majority of it is Pakistani Muslim men.

So, yes, it's a blot on our history, and we intend to finish our work, which we're doing, then have a proper hearing, which we'll probably have now in February.

I

tried not to lose my temper.

Having just gone through London, are you shocked at the state of this country?

Well, I think London actually is quietly dying.

I mean, when I was young and I was in London during the late 70s, 80s, and early 90s, London was booming.

And everybody wanted to be in London because it was free.

It was entrepreneurial.

It was the place everybody wanted to be.

Now, I don't think that's the case.

I wonder if the cities are, or do you think they might be also just suffering a little bit from modernization? People are buying things online instead of going into the town.

Mm-hmm.

Which was a mystery because Zia Yusuf appeared from nowhere.

He's 38 years old.

He gave barely more than I spent getting myself elected.

I funded my own campaign in Great Yarmouth.

I funded the campaign in Kingswood.

You know, I gave a lot over many years to reform and the Brexit party.

Well, he

But do you see yourself philosophically closer to Badenoch's Tories than you do to Farage's reform now?

I mean, I said to you earlier, I've got a high regard for Kemi, and the Tories put me on the Public Accounts Committee.

I get on extremely well with a lot of the Tories.

I think Kemi's got a problem with her historical legacy, where the Tories have effectively, with an 80-seat majority, failed, well... palpably failed to deliver and arguably done less than nothing actually with the rise in legal immigration with the COVID response with all of the bad decisions that were made during Boris's era.

My view is it was Mrs. Johnson running the country, not the elected Boris.

So, yeah, I think she's got a legacy issue there.

She's got a legacy issue with her MPs, she's got the legacy or the hangover of the Cameronite One Nation Tories.

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