Mm-hmm.

But actually I, I'm not a illustrator anyways after graduation.

[chuckles] But I s- but this start from a metaphor and then do a mind map seeking, uh, from a center to, um, just build the branch of your, uh, feeling and, uh, different metaphors.

That kind of, um, way of thinking helped me a lot.

So start from a point that I want to, I have idea what I trying to draw, uh, uh, yeah, what I trying to paint, uh, what story in the dream I want to do, and then put in a mind map, and then like let it like grow.

Um, just have different ideas, different metaphor, different, uh, symbol that can represent certain things.

Like, uh, I have a lot of human body and, um, plants-

What do you discover? What are some things you've discovered about yourself that, while you've been painting?