Ruha Benjamin
Sociologist and professor
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Nov 3, 2026
#6: Is Racism in AI Just a Glitch? (with Dr. Ruha Benjamin) [+ How to Protect YOUR Imagination]
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17:45Catarina DoriaHOST
Well, What is this and why should everyday people pay attention to this type of discourse?
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
I think it's really important to pay attention to the beneficence, the humanistic concern that is often used to cloak the self-interest of the powers that be.
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
To keep in mind that harmful systems have always been cloaked with this do-gooding ethos.
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
in hindsight, when we look to the worst kinds of oppressive systems, they've always gone hand in hand with some sort of ideology of beneficence.
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35:21Catarina DoriaHOST
But how can we ensure that our imagination, the things that we want for our society, are not polluted by their imagination of what technology, what AI and what the future will be? How can we clean that up in our own brains? It really
The Fight for Civil Rights in the Age of AI
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Justin HendrixHOST
Do you have a sense of time in this? Uh, how much time we've got before it's difficult to leave your home without a, without a drone overhead?
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
It's, um, you know, it's a way in which the discourse of urgency, I, I understand and I can appreciate the sense of...
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
You know, the, the title of one of my books is Race After Technology, this idea of, you know, speed, movement, and I understand the urge and the longing for a, a recent prior era, as you're describing [chuckles], a pre-AI manipulation of elections era, pre-Trump era.
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
But where I kind of situate myself is with a sober understanding that even what we call democracyA year ago or 10 years ago or a couple decades ago, often wasn't serving the vast majority of people anyway.
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
So I wanna caution against a longing or a return idea to a prior era that in fact wasn't all it's cut out to be.
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Justin HendrixHOST
I mean, it does make sense to me that you, you talk about cultural artifacts in particular because it does feel like, um, despite all the money, all the investment, all the effort, um, they can't win the culture, right? Um, seems like the, the majority of people are, are opposed to a lot of these things.
RIP… D.E.I. with Ruha Benjamin
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Ruha BenjaminGUEST
And I don't think it's actually that controversial if you understand that segregation and integration weren't the only options.
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
Within those two options, it may seem like integration is the more progressive.
Ruha BenjaminGUEST
But again, when you're being integrated into institutions, into a culture that's a supremacist culture...
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