Yeah.

Yeah.Exactly. And so the PiP came out of this paradigmatic, integrated, pragmatic, was like, weren't this kind of a bit of a gestalt trying to say, what was it that when we then looked at this list that was allowing us to say, "Oh, this is what is kind of a commonality of these organizations," and also a basis on which we can kind of say whether people are more or less close and therefore find more.

And so that was twenty twenty-two, and then we basically produced a Second Renaissance map in twenty twenty-four that was trying to really be much more accessible.

Because the thing is, this is also about marketing to some extent, in the sense that you're trying to get these concepts or you're trying to do memetic gardening, right, in all of this.

In field building, you're trying to get an idea out into the world, like we just said, like inner-led social change or as I said, paradigmatic approaches.

You know, my fundamental interest in this kind of foundational changes in our societies.

And so the Second Renaissance map was a lot more accessible.

So Rufus, as we move towards the ending of our time together today, where do you see paradigmatic, integrative, pragmatic work going? What do you see emerging, or what do you hope will, will happen now?