people would be fearful of joining their communities because now their family members are going to get harassed, so they realize that they can't sustain that.

That involves other innocent people who have nothing to do with it.

I've had my family members contacted at their places where they work and stuff, and it's been awful, but it's like...

I don't think there's ever an excuse to involve people who aren't involved in it.

And there's no way to manage the unexpected outcomes of it when you start going that kind of like road route.

And I know it's idealistic.

It

was a, I remember it being like a topic of conversation at the moment.