So this kind of creative expression, did that come early, like in your family, that you knew this and you were able to help

him? Well, both my parents are artists and...

The studio that you see Paul in is part of a wider organisation called Project Artworks, which is the organisation that my mother founded.

And so the organisation was founded on the back of both my parents being artists and both of them giving both me and Paul a platform for some kind of artistic expression and just the general belief that anyone should be able to access not just kind of creativity in making but I think the the act of putting something out into the world is a way of saying that you are here, right? That you exist.

And so art became a very kind of clear way for mum to advocate and champion people's personhood and agency through art.

And so I guess the philosophy of approach is to essentially allow or bring about the circumstances and environment where people have the opportunity to express themselves on their own terms.

rather than being kind of herded or managed in any kind of creative ways is, you know, um, and because we know Paul very intimately, we know that he loves people and that he loves studying faces.

Do you want to talk about the other musicians?