So I'm actually quite interested in how this sort of lifestyle, exercise, movement, how do those come into play in your daily practice at all.

Yeah, in my field, definitely.

You would think that we would want to be as interventional as possible to make our lives interesting.

It's just like how surgeons always want to operate and how orthopedic surgeons will always see a fractured bone somewhere because that's what drives our interest.

But in the pain field, pain is a little more complex in the sense that it's obviously physiological.

It comes from the you know the pathology you know locally from the area where you know the issue is and at the same time you know a lot of it is mental right so um which is the reason why you know it's so complex it's difficult to measure pain you know it's difficult to treat pain um and you know the reason that pain requires like um multiple specialties to be involved or at the same time so you know believe it or not you know what i believe in is that you know Patients should probably, or hopefully, get the best outcome with the least invasive intervention.

Pain alone, with the strategic injections, and even with neuromodulation, is really hopefully to try to prevent them from having surgery, or to try to salvage the pain that's left over, unfortunately, from a spine surgery.

How did you manage that along the way? Did you feel like it crept into your existence a lot? How did you get around

time.

And then that led to my second residency, which was again, unfortunately, a one year contract in general surgery in New York.

So right around that time, there was a lot of political instability in the US in the sense that the Trump government came into effect.

And there was a lot of resistance towards absorbing foreign physicians at that time.

So despite having been given a lot of promises, unfortunately, that contract never really materialized.

So that was the second kind of stop in my training where I kind of had to take a step back.

I again chose to go back to the UK because it was a familiar environment for me to kind of rethink whether this is something that I should still continue to pursue.

So we're very interested to hear how that looks like.