Do you relate more as a tech, dev, businessman, both? What do you feel is mostly your identity now?

Well, I do what I need to do.

That's interesting.

That's kind of what I'm trying to do in the space.

So when I entered the space, it was actually with the emergence of the Lightning Network.

So 2017, early 2018, that's when I decided to quit my Fiat job and go full time on Bitcoin, working for Bitcoin.

And my goal was to help Bitcoin evolve from a store of value, digital gold.

Do you remember that exact moment when you decided I'm going to stick with that? My new mission is that.

Yeah.

Uh, we're-- everyone's talking about like the bringing stables to Lightning and, and, and, and once the stables are on Lightning, we'll have a different user experience and everyone will be happy.

Uh, I think, uh, I think it's a, a bit of a overhype because no one-- maybe the stablecoin issuer needs stables on Lightning, but other people don't really need stables on Lightning because they have stables.

Stables are readily available in, uh, in, in, in dozens of networks out there.

So the approach that we kind of decided to take is to, uh, uh, swap.

Uh, every-- if you are holding a Bitcoin balance and you want to, uh, uh, make a stablecoin payment, we automatically swap, uh, on the client and then send the asset to the destination network.

So for example, you want to send, uh, USDT or USDC on Solana, let's say.

but they will just have to spend a lot more time and energy and money on security?