Is the small guard can't win a championship or be your best player, was that a overrated narrative, or did you think Jalen Brunson is, is sort of an outlier, he's, he's one of few that was able to do it?

I mean, I, I would say s- small guard, but I, I feel like, like, like he's a scoring guard.

Like, I feel like the days of, like, the point guard getting the offense going, distributing the ball, having, like, 10 plus assists, which would be great, that's not what he does.

He's brought in to [laughs] be able to score.

And just like how SGA is a scoring guard, obviously he's a li- he's, he's bigger than, than Brunson, but to me, I never fell into that narrative of like, oh, you have a small guard, he's not gonna be able to finish.

I would say this, though.

There were certain points in the, in that series where there would be a, a, a one fi- or a one-two pick and roll, and they're trying to s- uh, to get the right action so they, uh, say Castle can go against a, a, Brunson.

Like, what do you take, uh, you know, away from his first playoff experience?

What is Cooper Flag's number one challenge gonna be from dominant college player to NBA player? What is gonna be a smack in the face? What is gonna be tough?

All right.

So for me, I would initially say the physicality, but having seen him play against USA players and, and, and NBA type players, and have viral moments where he like embarrasses some NBA talent, I don't think that's gonna be an issue.

For me, it's just gonna f- figure out, you know, his place in, i- in like, eh, on the team when, you know, uh, uh, uh, say when Kyrie gets back, where is he gonna fill in? Is Kyrie gonna be able to, you know, who's, who's known as an alpha, is he gonna be able to fit in well with him? Which I assume they do, they have that Duke connection, but he can go in like 10 to 20 game stretches where he's playing well then, and then, and then Ant, uh, I mean, uh, AD gets hurt, now he has to take over.

So finding his place, uh, ev- every, every couple games is probably gonna be the biggest thing in terms of... 'Cause they have two alphas right there.

And then also to me, it's finding a three-point shot consistently.

He took three shots, uh, in the, uh, uh, uh, fr- three, uh, three pointers per game last year.

Or, or am I overstating his value?

What did you make of what the Pacers did in the Conference Finals?

Before I start off with the Pacers and what happened on the court, I just want to say the Knicks fans, they keep doing it to themselves.

You're pelting people with trash and everything like that.

You get what you get, especially when you have home court.

So, I mean, I was born in New York, but my heart is always in Indiana.

They changed my life.

So kudos to those fans for bringing it upon themselves to embarrass themselves.

I wasn't planning on going there, but am I wrong in what I'm saying here?

What is it that OKC is doing to make it seem like Minnesota doesn't really belong on the court with them?

Well, to me, to be honest with you, it's like the defense.

A, uh, around the three-point line, as soon as Anthony Edwards crosses the three-point line, there's bodies around him.

So like the open space, the drives to be able to, like, get to the basket and have the explosion and dunk at the rim, those opportunities definitely are not there.

And, and then the second thing for me is obviously just the, the, the guys like Caruso.

I mean, you guys played, played sports and as much as the superstars play well, they need like the ancillary players, the role players to play well.

Wallace, Dort, uh, uh, Jalen Williams, he's an all-star, but on the defensive end, they were hunting out and playing the passing lanes looking for tips and deflections.

He was.

And the next thing you know, they're laying it up at the other end.

Go ahead, Roy.

i won't say in terms of uh uh the timberwolves you know make anthony edwards didn't do it too much this game but from the last like thing like three or four games i feel like at the beginning of the game when he gets to the basket before he even feels the contact he's like screaming looking for the refs to bail him out and he misses those chippies around the rim i've seen him go body to body and just like dunk on people i know that's not always like how it goes, but he has that finesse Euro step and everything like that.

And the next thing I will say is like, I'm a little bit harder on big guys.

And I think something that you said earlier on about Gobert playing against competent bigs, You know, when I look at Isaiah Hartenstein and his good connection with Chet, man, that left-handed push floater is elite around the middle zone and around that baseline.

And then the fact that he can have that little hot push shot and then also have that high-low lob to Chet is great.

But those bigs, you know, are doing well.

Roy? You

Go ahead.

No, I mean, everything Ocho said was exactly right, but to me, also, like, the mental side of the game, too, seeing the guys get frustrated and just push Shea to the ground and get assessed a technical.

Yeah, get your ass down.

That's creeping into their minds, you know, and That, to me, is another thing.

You're just wearing them down, wearing them down.

I think the Timberwolves will get a game at their home, but I agree with you.

I find it hard to believe that they can win this series.

Roy? You know, it makes me

he's King Kong.

I mean, the perfect name for him would be Godzilla, but had Deki Matsui had that name, so he can't be Godzilla.

Yeah.

Yes.

He deferred it.

He only making

Chains, I appreciate that, man.

I appreciate the hospitality, man.

Well, you think about it, he got 70 million in salary, and he's probably doing another 10, 15, 20, 30 million in endorsements, especially in Japan.

The Asian market, he's King Kong.

I mean, the perfect name for him would be Godzilla, but had Deki Matsui had that name, so he can't be Godzilla.

Yeah.

Yes.

He deferred it.

He only

I appreciate the hospitality,