Well, well, I mean, I, I suppose one thing with your career, what's the one thing that would kind of keep you up at night going, "Whoa, can't believe somebody did that"?

Uh, you know, s- some, like, one employee, uh, changed his status, you know, from employee to a corporation.

And actually instead of getting a salary, started getting, uh, like, a salary of 150 people, like, outsourced, uh [chuckles] you know, he just changed his, uh, ERP, uh, credential.

And, you know, IT people, they have a lot of access to a lot of different things.

So, uh, you know, a manager might need to go through, you know, five different approvals, but the IT guy can just, you know, go to backup files, change something, and then restore a backup.

And, you know, everything is [chuckles] all his changes are in without getting any approvals and with no audit trail and, you know.

So there's a lot of things that the people just don't think about.

... how do people get you, y- with the company, to do that? 'Cause obviously, I think a lot of people would invest in something like that because they go, "All right, let's get rid of the scum, the cheaters, the fraud, and run the city properly."