So what, I mean, what did you find? I mean, what was their wrestling with the issue

like? Of course, Douglass, and you folks at the Center have done so much with Douglass through the years because there's so many great quotes from him.

But, you know, starting in the 30s.

1830s, yeah.

1830s, thank you.

But 1869, he... began going around the country with a speech called Our Composite Nation.

And it was a barn burner kind of speech defending the Chinese immigrants.

Yeah,

... that's a good point.

There is something to that.

I mean, it's, it's, uh ...

But I feel that there's just these nuggets that have been there all along.

Now, a lot of them have not, they're not, like, hidden, 'cause the center has, has brought a lot of those.

I d- I used a lot of work over the last 30 years from the center to help me point me to directions.

But I think that we've got a...

Right

So whenever we can be at your footsteps and listen clearly to what you've experienced, I mean, you bring a lot to the table, especially when it comes to immigration, as we continue to debate this and I think one of the biggest challenges Roy that we have is that we got to get it out of the emotional and the political realm and and I believe our founding fathers and initially when they looked at immigration there was more common sense than there was political sense and I think that's why it was probably more effective back then versus now what do you say

Well, the fact is, they messed it up a number of times in the past, but they got it right in the past, too.

And that's the point of this book is, although it is very much, you could say, a Black history book, it's also a very, very important overall American history book.

It's a way of looking at our American history since 1820.

Basically, it's a 200-year 1820s to 2020s look at at our country through the way that immigration surges or restrictions affected the most vulnerable parts of our society.

Now, I focus on Black Americans because they are the ones that tend to be the most vulnerable, the most harmed by reckless immigration policies.

But as I say in the book repeatedly, this is about all vulnerable Americans of all races.

I know what you're talking

Oh, dear

... yeah, yeah, especially over on the, the Park Lane side.

But, um, the atmosphere was really good.

It was good to, good to be home.

Um, and I watched Sunday's game, um, uh, as you either guessed it, on Spurs Play.

Um, good to see everybody getting minutes, with the exception, obviously, of, of the few, Micky, Micky van de Ven, who, who didn't... hasn't had any, and Destiny Udogie.

Disappointing again, Solanke we're hearing has picked up another injury.

Mm-hmm