Like, what psychological leap is it asking players to take as they look for an experience, especially a cinematic one? I'll keep throwing that word out.

Yeah.

I think that Daggerheart is really asking the players to...

Well, kind of, one, to continue the conversation we were having, like, behave cinematically.

So run into danger, recognize that they are the protagonists, and also to understand that it is the responsibility of the GM to provide the opposition so that their characters can grow.

Like, the GM's job is to make the grit that, like, sands down the stone to make it into, like, a fabulous level 10 godlike diamond at the end.

But if you don't constantly have that, then you, like, you, you have nothing that pushes the story forward.

Mm-hmm

... or that you were particularly excited to expand on?

Well, I mean, so we had a different plan after Daggerheart released, and people were so enthusiastic about it that like we had the amazing champagne problem of having to kind of change our plans.

Um, and so Daggerheart: Hope and Fear was born out of the community's excitement, um, w- which was really a fun opportunity.

We opted to do a book that had offerings for everyone, because we wanted to get people more on all fronts, as much as we possibly could.

Um, I think transformations were my thing that kind of the seed of it was planted in Core, but we couldn't actualize it until down the road, and Hope and Fear presented that opportunity really nicely.

Um, and-

Like, you should just be able to buy Core and then buy the, one of the books that speaks to you, and you should be able to use that.

Yeah.