Where does Hamer Place kind of start, and where does that fit into the, the other band, again in quotation marks, uh, Postcard Versions?

Uh, yeah.

Me and, me and Paddy are still doing Postcard Versions, and hopefully forever will be.

But I started to play in other bands, started sleeping around behind Paddy's back.

Um, Conor Lumsden asked me to play in Music City, which again, was a, a great experience.

I mean, I went from just playing in front of, like, 10 people in Own Shot to playing in front of 1,500 people in Manchester supporting Parkay Courts and going around Europe with Sheer Mag, two of my favorite bands.

It was r- it was really great, even though I could barely play bass at the time.

It's really, really good, and well done on, like, the, the charity fundraising for it as well.