[laughs]

Yeah.

Look, I say yes to everything, you know? Or, or let's put it a different way.

I find it very difficult to say no.

But when Amy asked me, I did hesitate, not, not because I don't wanna do this, but don't wanna come across in the wrong way.

I sat in your seat a few years ago at a similar event to this, and there was a gentleman on stage representing a big blue chip business as a senior executive talking about equality, gender, but it just came across as sound bites, and it came across to me really inauthentic, and I cringed a bit and I won't forget that.

And I am sure he was well-meaning, and I'm sure he had the best intentions, but to me it came across as slightly condescending and patronizing.

So talk to us about how men can help women at work.