Was that a difficult decision?

It didn't quite work out like that.

I mean, I'd been at Ferrari for 10 years and A decade seemed like a really nice round number.

I know it's a bit, seems strange, but 10 years seemed like a perfect number to stop.

I wanted to leave Ferrari on a high.

I wanted to leave with all my relationships in a very positive place.

And I told Ferrari probably a year before I left that I was going to leave at the end of that season.

happen? What came back? Your phone call? Did you get summoned to Japan?

[laughs]

...

I guess, in many ways, but I knew enough about every aspect to be able to both contribute and also recognize the people who had the skills to make it happen.

So, you know, I, I have enough...

I did an engineering apprenticeship, um, and engineering education.

So I could look at a drawing, I could look at a component, I could look at something that failed, and I could have, you know, after a while, an opinion.

But what was most important, I could, I could judge who was, who was good and who was talking bullshit, so...

It was, uh, Carl Haas, uh, the American, would it be fair to say entrepreneur?