How do you support the parents out there around this and what does it look like?

So my thesis at the time was if you take the parent out of the home, you need to give something back.

And so I talked to HR managers, diversity, workplace health and safety managers and talked to them about what are the programs that you've got in place that actually create family-friendly workplaces, that actually help your working parents benefit be the best they can for themselves, for their families.

And, of course, that all translates to the workplace.

So we deliver training to managers to make sure, number one, that they actually understand the challenges.

Now, many... people come straight out of uni into hi hi workplace no children makes no sense to them whatsoever when they say hey we'll give you a gym membership or whatever they're like this is a good thing but they don't understand all the the barriers so number one training for the for the managers is But then all of our programs are directed towards and we've just little by little by little, we've got over 40 programs now because we just listen to working parents.

We listen when they say, look, my big challenges are with technology.

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